He's witnessed both those times. They're not Carver's moments though; he couldn't help it. Pope knows this.

It's me he taps out again, and then, Good.

If he can impart nothing else it has to be his pride in Carver for not breaking.

Good.

He fucks him because he has to. There are no other options. He has to. So he does. Hard, and intent, so they can't call him out on going easy on Carver.

And it feels good and he hates that it does.